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Final Countdown
by Jen Sorensen
by Jen Sorensen, September 27th, 2008 12:23am

Well, the first debate is in the can. The two seemed pretty evenly matched in terms of debating skills. I present to you the notes I took while watching:

McCain looks like he has powder caked into his forehead lines.

Wow, he actually used the word "Republicans!"

Good framing on Obama's part about the need for 21st-century regulation. Makes a nice distinction between past and future.

Oh god, there McCain goes again, brown-nosing the American worker. You opposed equal pay for equal work, dipwad.

McCain keeps talking about earmarks, yet his running mate is a champion porkstress.

McCain: "I didn't win Miss Congeniality in the U.S. Senate." So that's why you picked a beauty pageant queen as your running mate?

McCain is whining about business taxes. I bet all those people who've lost their homes are really losing sleep about that. Also, Enron didn't pay any taxes for years!

Obama: Good point about how McCain wants to tax health benefits.

Is "cut spending" all McCain can say?

Obama needs to point out McCain's campaign is run by lobbyists.

That's a lie McCain just told about Obama's health insurance plan, saying the federal government would be making decisions that should be between you and your doctor. Please. If anyone wants to do that, it is the anti-choice ticket of McCain-Palin.

What's this about a spending freeze except for defense and vet programs and entitlements? That sounds a bit draconian. And highly selective.

Good, Obama finally mentioned how Iraq is costing us $10 billion a month.

McCain: "Low taxes will help our economy recover." Yeah, those Bush tax cuts worked wonders, didn't they? I'll take Obama's middle-class tax cuts over McCain's elite tax cuts, thanks.

Obama's really hammering McCain on his Iraq judgment, WMDs, Sunni/Shia misstatements. Also doing a good job of making some of McCain's assertions seem duplicitous.

McCain on Obama's support for strikes against terrorists in Pakistan: "You don't say that out loud." But it's OK for Palin to threaten Russia in a Charlie Gibson interview?

Nice comeback by Obama about McCain's "Bomb Bomb Iran" ditty.

McCain's faux earnestness grates on me. Also, his patronizing repetition of "What Obama doesn't understand..." when McCain has been so blindingly wrong on foreign policy.

McCain gets very animated talking about Iran and Israel. Judging by his body language, it's what he cares about most. Iran's nuclear ambitions are certainly a problem, but he has such a neocon boner about this, and I've had enough of neocons who get all excited about foreign policy and don't seem to give a damn about what's happening here.

Obama: good point about McCain's voting record against alternative energy.

Did McCain just say we shouldn't ever torture a prisoner again? He just voted for torture during the Republican primaries. Obama shouldn't give McCain credit for being anti-torture when he flip-flopped on it.

Obama also needs to hit McCain on his vote against Jim Webb's GI bill. Why isn't he doing that?

McCain is talking about flexibility of thinking. This is from a guy who doesn't use the internet.

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So there you have it. Obama went on the offensive well at times, but he missed a few opportunities to zap McCain. I'd like to see a bit more bite next time. McCain seemed to attack more at the end, yet his stance on the issues often seemed out of step with the concerns of ordinary Americans. I'm not sure there was a clear "winner" as there was when Kerry faced Bush (again, not that it mattered). What do you think, esteemed readers?

Comments
I agree that Obama was not on the offensive enough, despite many openings where he could have really hurt McCain. The balance of the errors/lies, however, seem to be heavily on McCain's side (I went to the NYT fact check page Check Point.). I was very glad to see Obama repudiate the "earmark" bullshit. That is such a red herring, a drop in the water when compared to the vast ocean of money that the current administration has wasted.

Commentators have made much of "Obama doesn't understand" vs. "John is right". It probably was a mistake for Obama to favor a gentlemanly approach over McCain's sneering bluster. Subtlety doesn't usually impress the masses.

I thought Obama was calm, intelligent, and, as I said, a gentleman. If foreign policy is supposed to be McCain's strong point, then Obama more than held his own. And after that debate, the "no substance" tag can't possibly stick any more. To me, Obama was overwhelmingly substantive, while McCain relied on insults.
J. Tobias Beard September 27th, 2008 08:30am
Nice observations, Jen. I honestly felt McCain was very snarky. And that won't impress the masses either, I would think.

But then again, after asking my (only) Republican friend how she thought the debate went she replied, "Well for McCain." Hmm.
Jessica September 27th, 2008 05:00pm
I think it was a bloody draw--which means Obama really won, as McCain's almost clueless on the economy.

I was a bit concerned to hear Obama voice the opinion that by removing Iraq we negated a key check on Iranian power. This speaks of a very bad world view, i.e. "Dictator X may be a right ____, but he's our ____." Especially as the only reason Iraq was able to stay on the field versus the Iranians was U.S. intelligence, chemical weapons, and various Arab states' loans.

I was also struck that neither one of the men seemed to have a clue about what we're going to do with Pakistan / Afghanistan (and the two are linked). Jingoistic statements and tough talk is nice, but I got the sense that their statements were more a "this is what my handlers told me to say" versus, "I realize that I will inherit this crap sandwich and I better figure out what sides will make it easier to choke down."
James September 29th, 2008 11:12am
Obama won in the sense that he obviously has considered the needs of Americans who make less than seven figures a year. Good point James makes about "Dictator X vs Dictator Y", though sadly that is a tradition in American foreign policy. McCain, however, clearly contradicted his own voting record, and also is way too aggressive on Iran.

All my Republican pals swear McCain "nailed him" on Iraq and taxes. My Dem friends say Obama "blew McCain away". I'm an independent. I give Obama the edge in the debate because he presented himself as more engaged and concerned, rather than putting up with the debate until he could go off about a pet topic (as McCain did with Iran/Middle East).
Leo September 29th, 2008 02:33pm
One thing that has surprised me in the days since the debate is the widespread notion that McCain was too surly. I distinctly remember thinking that about Dick Cheney when he debated John Edwards in 2004 -- but at that time, the punditocracy viewed his gruffness as a positive. I swear, it's impossible to predict how the candidates' mannerisms will play out in the end.

Leo, I agree that Obama did seem a bit less talking-pointy.
Jen Sorensen September 29th, 2008 03:21pm
so....both politicians propose a change. Both are making promises that they will not be able to follow through on. One candidate: too old. One candidate: too young. One wants to help veterans. One wants to help school children (Both good ideas).
This reminds me of every other election in history. Change Change Change..... Its all just a bunch of boloney (bologna if you prefer).
Take care of what matters most in your life, help others, and the president wont' have to worry about solving our problems for us. As long as we rely on the government to take care of those in need, and bail out our companies, our situation will only get worse. So, in the grand scheme of things, your vote wont change things. you will.
no_name September 29th, 2008 03:25pm
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