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The HooYa! Blog expands upon the content and insights in HooYa! C-VILLE's UVa game-day publication. The HooYa! Blog is written by Trent Thurston, a sports-obsessed Virginia fan who bleeds orange & blue. He and his father, Myles, own and operate Eljo's Traditional Clothes, a UVa staple in Charlottesville for 59 years. Trent traveled with the Virginia Hoops team for six seasons helping out where needed with the radio crew. He thinks every year is the year we will win a national championship in football and basketball.


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by Trent Thurston, November 2nd, 2009 09:55pm

As I was in the Scott Stadium press box on Saturday, packing up my laptop while staring at the rain pelting down, I thought: we've now lost to Duke and William and Mary in the same season. If anyone would have told me in 1995, or even 2005, that UVA would lose to a basketball school like Duke, and Thomas Jefferson's alma mater in the same Autumn, I would have told them to call the doctor. Boy, times are tough.

How would you like to be Craig Littlepage, the Board of Visitors, or anyone that works for the Virginia Athletics Foundation? That's a tough call to make for those fine VAF folks:

"Sir, we'd love to speak to you regarding your donation to Cavalier athletics for 2009. Would you like to help make a donation to pay for the shiny-new buyouts of Dave Leitao and Al Groh? We just finished the payment plan for former Coach Pete Gillen's buy-out, so that's good news. Sir? Are you still there, Sir?" Click.

Normally after a Virginia football game I wander over to the East lot and have a couple of ham biscuits and ice cold Budweisers with several of my long-time friends. Win, lose, or draw, we chat about our lives, the game we have just witnessed, and just generally hang out.

Saturday, all I wanted to do was get the hell out of there immediately! As the media van that takes us back to the lot was about to leave Scott Stadium, Danny Kanell, the former Florida State quarterback of the 1995 Seminoles that lost to UVA in on of the best college football games I've ever seen, ran up to the van and got in.

The van driver said, "Hey you're that Florida State guy that we beat in 1995, aren't you?"

Kannell replied, "Yep, I did not remember that game at all till I saw it in the ESPN notes as I was preparing for this game this week" (Kannell was the color guy for the ESPN-360 broadcast crew). He talked a little about his meal the night before at the Downtown Grille, that he had made a bit of video for his kids of the UVA band, and then we both got out of the van and were on our separate ways.

Danny Kannell doesn't remember that game at all. BS! He was 32-67 for 454 yards and 3 TDs in that November, 1995, game in Charlottesville. But, all he wanted to talk about was the wonderfully good steak he'd eaten for dinner last night, and how UVA's campus was incredibly spread out! www.youtube.com/watch

There is knowledge and wisdom to be gained from a very unlikely source here, Virginia football fans. Most Hoos fans I know view that Florida State game as one of the three most important in the annals of UVA football.* But even to the guy that threw for 454 yards, it was just another game, and just another loss. Take 'em with a grain of salt, and maybe a couple of ice cold beers, too. We (Virginia fans) take ourselves a bit too seriously, I think. We aren't an important football school, and never have been.

The season rolls on and continues Saturday in Miami for the Hoos. My prediction Hoos 13 Miami 48. Yuck.

*The other two most important games: Georgia Tech, November 3, 1990 and New Years Eve 1984 against Purdue in the Peach Bowl.

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Trent, If I were you, I'd call bull-shit on Kanell not remembering that loss in 95. Florida State had a winning streak of how many games in the ACC at that point? If that wasn't one of the low points of his college career, I'll eat any of a dozen hats I've got around here, including the pointy straw farmer hat I just wore for Halloween! Referring to my trusty College Football Encyclopedia, I see that he lost a grand total of 5 games in his entire collegiate career, and none of them were bowl games, and other than UVA, none of them were conference games. Other than UVA, he lost once to Florida (tied them once and beat them twice), lost twice to Miami, and once to Notre Dame. Before the UVA game, they had been 1 since the pre-season poll in 1995, and were the clear favorites to be national champions in his senior year. Any competitor worth their salt would remember something like that and not need to be reminded of it and how it presaged their pro career (1 year with the Falcons and then Arena Football, baby!). I think he was just trying to get a rise out of you by diminishing an event that even I was keenly aware of during my first fall in C-Ville, not previously following college football at all. You were there and you know these guys a lot better than I, so take this with an appropriate sized grain of salt, but that was the first thing that came to my mind on reading his reaction.
Brad Paton November 2nd, 2009 10:29pm
Trent,
If you'd look back at Virginia football history you would see that yes we are a football school. Virginias first football program was one of the best in the country. Did you know we were the first non ivy league school to beat Yale. That was the biggest football game in history at the time. It would be like JMU beating Florida today. It's only been Virginia's recent history where folks have this snub attitude and think that we can't have a national champion caliber team. Bobby Bowden built the FSU powerhouse from nothing. FSU was an all girls school for crying out loud. Steve Spurrier built Florida's powerhouse. Neither of those programs have the winning history of Virginia. If Virginia would get back to it's roots we can and will win. Virginia is the Old Dominion, we have a history of kicking ass and taking names later. As fans we need to have that attitude. Hopefully the administration will hire an intense motivator as the new head coach that isn't willing to accept this attitude. It's time to get back to our true beginnings and start whipping some ass on Saturdays!
Eric Davis November 3rd, 2009 03:28am
Eric,
I hear ya, but the game of football in the late 1800's does not resemble the football of today one iota. Virginia has not been a football powerhouse in the modern era, and unless drastic changes are made, we will never have a chance.

Sure, we've had a few good seasons in over 110 years of college football, and a few good games, but look at the current top 25 in the BCS: South Florida, Houston, Utah, Boise State, TCU and Cincinnati are all there. What I am saying is, with the right administration at UVA and a solid coach, we can be there, too. Thanks for your email and your support of the Hoos.
Trent Thurston November 3rd, 2009 09:27am
Trent,
Always appreciate your thoughts. Saturday, fourth quarter, when I saw Duke running for the hill from 50 yards out I found myself saying thank god. Now I've been a fan of UVA football since I was 8 years old. This is the first year that I'm so begging for a change I can't stand it. Our team, our fans, our community needs a renewed spirit. I don't know how else we'll get it without seeing a drastic change.

If I was a senior recruit comparing the education experience I would get at UVA vs the football I would get to play at VT, knowing the football would get me a sweet little 330k a year in the NFL, education would get me 40k to starting. What do you think I would choose? Our recruiting has gone to crap. Agree?

I feel like Groh is in the bag, however, if we beat VT the end of the year, does he buy one more year?
Mr. T November 3rd, 2009 11:16am
Yes, after Duke ...what's done is done. Oddly, I have a feeling of excitement about the future, yet it is tempered with the fear that process of change will get botched along the way, much like it did to end last season.

Trent - Are you confident "the powers that be" will get it right with our football team with respect to change? Bottom line, will the find someone who will win the recruiting in the state of VA? Seems to me that is the most important start and our failure there as of recent years has been a huge contributor to our slightly below mediocre program.

They might want to start by looking one hour east....
Jeremy November 3rd, 2009 08:52pm
Jeremy,
I'd like to say that I am 100% confident in stating that the administration will find us a spectacular coach like what we appear to have in Tony Bennett. But, I'm not certain that any of my top choices will want to come to Charlottesville.

UVA is one of the most difficult schools in the country academically for football players to get in and stay in. So, to answer your question honestly, I'm just not sure we can get someone hired who will be able to beat the damn Hokies every single year!

First things first, let's get coach Groh out of here IMMEDIATELY! Agreed, readers?
Trent Thurston November 3rd, 2009 10:03pm
Coaching is often not the problem because coaching cannot rise above recruiting. Many coaches will not accept an offer to coach at a school that cannot recruit players. UVA is unwilling to trade intellectual elitism for football success. Yet when UVA and arch rival Va Tech both recruit the same player he usually prefers Va Tech. Using the excuse that UVA is too intelligent to win football is a self-defeating attitude. Continuing a self-defeating attitude will insure continual failure. Is UVA really too good to win, or is that just an excuse to justify failure?
Daley Craig November 5th, 2009 08:27am
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